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Josh and Jon discuss policing in America and why some victories are worth celebrating, even if there's way more work to be done. Also, Apple events, Hot (COVID) Shots Part Deux, and why skipping family meetings is a bad idea.

Chapters

• 0:48 Derek Chauvin and Policing in America
• 9:48 The Puppy
• 12:40 Jon likes bikes now
• 16:38 Getting shot number two
• 19:42 Jon's skipping family retros
• 21:52 Apple event and new hardware
• 27:37 Apple paid podcasts
• 35:10 Jon's doesn't take "impossible" for an answer
• 38:22 What's for dinner?